tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295741357281587791.post3641069646421341894..comments2019-07-17T03:41:15.620-07:00Comments on Linux Hater's Redux: You Get What You Pay ForAnti-Tuxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14184665169206392084noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295741357281587791.post-10820839438800435392009-04-12T05:38:00.000-07:002009-04-12T05:38:00.000-07:00well ok, linux is bad..... is windows any better? ...well ok, linux is bad..... is windows any better? constantly crashing, viruses, much more expensive to fix than linux. sometimes won't boot at all. vista sucks dick...... microsoft doesn't ship xp anymore. MAC IS THE WAY TO GO! WOOHOOur momhttp://runescape.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295741357281587791.post-78252245199211091302009-02-07T08:53:00.000-08:002009-02-07T08:53:00.000-08:00aha you're all sad fucks. (:josh xaha you're all sad fucks. (:<BR/><BR/>josh xAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295741357281587791.post-40281739226846628232009-02-05T00:45:00.000-08:002009-02-05T00:45:00.000-08:00The thing that is even more amusing is how some of...The thing that is even more amusing is how some of the comments get edited without any marks (yes, beloved "Author", some of yours (3rd Feb) as well).<BR/><BR/>So, since a picture tells more than 1000 words and reading isn't your strong side anyways, perhaps have a look at this:<BR/><BR/>http://www.muditajournal.com/wp-content/uploads/arguing-on-internet.png<BR/><BR/>I wasted enough time with this, so write & edit whatever you want and continue to rant about something you got for free and no one forced you to use.<BR/><BR/>Have fun ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295741357281587791.post-24088628882009588152009-02-03T12:57:00.000-08:002009-02-03T12:57:00.000-08:00Dear dumbass,how retarded can you be?I originally ...Dear dumbass,<BR/><BR/>how retarded can you be?<BR/><BR/>I originally said:<BR/><BR/>> e.g. all I needed on a fresh 11.1 <BR/>> install that was updated to KDE 4.2 <BR/>> was python-sqlalchemy & <BR/>> python-simplejson.<BR/><BR/>Then you asked:<BR/><BR/>> btw have _you_ _actually_<BR/>> _tried_? OpenSuse 11.0<BR/><BR/>To which my response was:<BR/><BR/>> And yes, I had 11.0 (now 11.1) on a<BR/>> Laptop and have 10.3 on the main<BR/>> workstation so I "tried" it<BR/><BR/>(it in that case means openSUSE 11.0 and not Anki)<BR/><BR/>So, I'm really sorry if that is unspecific for you (quite understandable though since you apparently fail at reading). And that you now start with "and I tried you mum" makes it even more laughable ...<BR/><BR/>How about you just shove your attitude where the sun doesn't shine, stop making such a fool out of yourself, start to go to school to learn how to read and stop talking about someones "mum" until you know who yours is?<BR/><BR/>Sincerely yours ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295741357281587791.post-6473741153556166082009-02-03T04:33:00.000-08:002009-02-03T04:33:00.000-08:00>And yes, I had 11.0 (now 11.1) on a >Laptop...>And yes, I had 11.0 (now 11.1) on a <BR/>>Laptop and have 10.3 on the main <BR/>>workstation so I "tried" it ;) [1]<BR/><BR/>Nice how you can be unspecific enough. btw I also tried it. [2]<BR/><BR/><BR/>[1] "it" = _merely_ _running_ Opensuse, not installing Anki<BR/><BR/>[2] "it" = your mom!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295741357281587791.post-25572128378212572442009-02-02T15:42:00.000-08:002009-02-02T15:42:00.000-08:00ATI drivers are not that effected by kernel mode c...ATI drivers are not that effected by kernel mode changes. Since 95 percent of the driver is in userspace. Same applies to Intel and VIA. After 2.6.29 Intels 5 percent will be default in Linux kernel. After 2.6.30 yes two kernel releases away ATI will not be effected by kernel releases at all since there atombios system for there 5 percent in kernel space will be default in Linux kernel from then on. Atombios handles all future card designs of ATI.<BR/><BR/>VIA 5 percent should also go into 2.6.30. NVidia will be the only one left with kernel problems in Video card drivers.<BR/><BR/>Compared to Nvidia(the ODD Ball) where 95 percent is in kernel space. So minor kernel changes stuff it up massively. Large block of opengl support is in kernel space. Its not a great driver if anything is majorly defective. When the new design drivers come on Line properly from ATI you will see that Nvidia's really is not working that great. Over half the Nvidia driver loaded in kernel space does not even get used per machine since most of it is support for other video cards. Basically Nvidia linux driver is crap. Just has been well performing crap.<BR/><BR/>This is why I say Linux Hater's Redux is incompetent closed source drivers have been built way to deal with Linux kernel changing and keeping secrets has been solved. There is really no reason for any driver to demand kernel space OS's like Minix exist where no driver ever runs in Kernel Space.<BR/><BR/>At least Linux Hater is hitting close correct points. I don't mind researched stuff.oiaohmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04718208244445470383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295741357281587791.post-83020570509373347532009-02-02T13:12:00.000-08:002009-02-02T13:12:00.000-08:00Dear author,if you could be arsed to read what I w...Dear author,<BR/><BR/>if you could be arsed to read what I wrote and not what you want to read, you had noticed that I said I tried it on 11.1 since I don't have any 11.0 anymore.<BR/><BR/>And here you see anki running on 11.1 without any compilation but simply by installing the 2 packages I named earlier and then running "./anki" within the extracted source archive:<BR/><BR/>http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2424/ankitl7.png<BR/><BR/>But since you now know anyways what your problem is ... have fun.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295741357281587791.post-6442615847650923102009-02-02T07:53:00.000-08:002009-02-02T07:53:00.000-08:00ATI ships radeon graphics drivers. Every month or ...ATI ships radeon graphics drivers. Every month or so. How do they deal with the kernel api changing? Or do they not affected by that? I've been reading the to-ing and fro-ing about the unstable api's on this blog and I'm confused.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295741357281587791.post-49802690158343529492009-02-02T07:16:00.000-08:002009-02-02T07:16:00.000-08:00All these "love" and "hate" discussion leads to no...All these "love" and "hate" discussion leads to nowhere. I guess we can savely assume that FOSS has its' pros as well as its' cons.<BR/>Concerning giving money to a developer: This is done in FOSS, too, btw.<BR/>In a commercial world, it doesn't solve user problems. Simply giving away money doesn't mean that the developer (e.g. company) will implement things you want, that the application works as expected. And it doesn't mean that you get proper support in case something doesn't work. Most hotline nowadays will be happy to tell you that there's something wrong with your system, blaming some other party.cptsalekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02378245762579235424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295741357281587791.post-15076294776889305252009-02-02T04:47:00.000-08:002009-02-02T04:47:00.000-08:00ok, just for the case in point I gave it another t...ok, just for the case in point I gave it another try. Since Chris makes it sound so easy.:<BR/><BR/>Downloading anki, starting. Ah right, getting sqlalchemy from Suse Buildservice.<BR/><BR/>ImportError: No module named PyQt4.QtCore<BR/><BR/>Ah ok, pyQt4 is missing, installing<BR/>pyQt4<BR/><BR/>ImportError: cannot import name QtWebKit<BR/><BR/>right, QtWebkit is in fact available<BR/><BR/>installing...<BR/><BR/>ImportError: cannot import name QtWebKit<BR/><BR/><BR/>argh, maybe we need the developer packages?<BR/><BR/><BR/>installing a bunch of packages, like 20 or so...<BR/><BR/>still won't work, some googling:<BR/><BR/>http://forums.opensuse.org/applications/401461-qtwebkit.html<BR/><BR/>now, where is pyqt installed? ... <BR/>right... still ain't working.<BR/><BR/>Some more googling revealed:<BR/><BR/>http://groups.google.com/group/ankisrs/browse_thread/thread/caffd342d0b5380b/be4e58aeeca1b7a8?lnk=raot&pli=1<BR/><BR/>And that, case in point, proves Chris that you are talking sh***.<BR/><BR/>There's obviously a bug and you didn't tried yourself.<BR/><BR/>now its already 30 minutes or so, and this is my personal frustration "deadline". If it takes more than 30 minutes than I don't bother.<BR/><BR/>In fact this is what I hate most. Freetards are like Eunuchs: They know it _in theory_. If you ask any looser/freetard board, you will end up getting answers or such helpful suggestions as Chris'. In fact it doesn't work so easily. Here doesn't work. At least not without manually compiling <BR/><BR/>you still don't get my point. You can think of me as a novice user, fine. As you like.<BR/><BR/>Thing is, the first time I used Linux was maybe in the Suse 6.something days. And I don't see the situation improving. If a simple thing like installing a piece of software is such a challenge, even for a non-novice-user (think of it as you like), then how is a normal user supposed to figure that out?<BR/><BR/>Btw my main system is in fact OpenSuse 11.0, I don't use Windows. Which doesn't mean that I don't hate Linux.<BR/><BR/>And I would like to happily shell out some money to be not involved in such problems. I think that's the whole point of commercial software. Pay someone, so you don't have to fiddle around things, if you don't want to. Under Linux I don't have this option.<BR/><BR/>And oiaohm you suck. Get an editor or something or let your mom come down to your basement to help you write properly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295741357281587791.post-72248250650304377192009-02-02T03:03:00.000-08:002009-02-02T03:03:00.000-08:00Embedded world has closed source drivers for Linux...Embedded world has closed source drivers for Linux that work independent from from kernel. User space drivers. Total cost for a network driver done in userspace is 1 percent.<BR/><BR/>That NVidia and others have not developed closed source drivers that work with the open source stack is a joke if they were to work on what they need they could have buy now had a stack allowing them to keep secrets.<BR/><BR/>VIA(S3) AMD(ATI) and Intel have completely got around the problem with video card driver. AMD has done it the best. Atom bios that sets up the basicis like how to control memory on the gpu of video card and basic 2d rendering. Advanced 2d and 3d instructions are encoded in userspace and sent to kernel to send to video card. Funny enough turns out safer and less over all load than encoding in kernel space since most video cards have compressed instructions to save on bus width. Compressing on userspace saves memory and does not risk kernel space memory issues. Ie kernel space memory issues are fatal. User space memory issues computer keeps on going.<BR/><BR/>So its complete bull that there are not solutions. No device maker is truly forced to release the complete specs to Linux. They do have to release enough that secuirty can be maintained and the features they want hidden be encoded in userspace. For video cards and some other devices its mostly memory management that has to be released nothing more.<BR/><BR/>Network cards Covered. Printer covered scanners covered. Video devices ok not fully covered but can be made userspace interfacing.<BR/><BR/>So its bull you cannot develop closed source drivers for Linux. You can they are user-space. Its not like windows does not have userspace drivers. To be correct Microsoft wants more userspace drivers to reduce secuirty risks. Kernel mode is old school for driver development for lots of tasks.<BR/><BR/>Applications Linux will do what MS did against OS/2. Run the other ones applications. There are many closed source programs for Linux that go past Photoshop Elements besides Windows Photoshop Elements runs in wine. There is also a reason why gimpshop and gimphoto exist. They take the gimp and give it a photoshop like interface. So no you don't have to relearn everything to use gimp. Just use one with a Photoshop theming.<BR/><BR/>Adobe Acrobat there is many replacements that work on the Open Source world.<BR/><BR/>Basically its not about Linux having the applications native at all for it to win. Can Linux run the applications well then it will win. Native is a Zero issue.<BR/><BR/>Would you mind looking at 0install package management. There is no need to test against many distributions to release an application. 0install application from a single package works on all Distributions at once.<BR/><BR/>When you finally learn to speak truth do another post. Other wise leave you are purely incompetent about what Linux can and cannot do.oiaohmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04718208244445470383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295741357281587791.post-5835534956259146872009-02-02T00:51:00.000-08:002009-02-02T00:51:00.000-08:00@Anonymous/February 1, 2009 7:14 PM"If so, why not...@Anonymous/February 1, 2009 7:14 PM<BR/><BR/>"If so, why not allow commercial software to be compiled, sold, and run on top of Linux WITHOUT having to give your source away."<BR/><BR/>Well, they are all free to do so. But if they do so, they have to build everything upon their own base. That's simply the rules. Just as you are free to deny me to enter your home. Just as non-free software is free to forbid everyone to see their sources.<BR/><BR/>So, what's your point?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295741357281587791.post-91695622511811615682009-02-02T00:28:00.000-08:002009-02-02T00:28:00.000-08:00So true!I have been using Linux (and occasionally ...So true!<BR/><BR/>I have been using Linux (and occasionally FreeBSD) for the past 9 years as a developer, and it works fine for me. But I have realized an ordinary user doesn't give a rat's ass to "Free as in freedom". Maybe she cares quite a bit about "Free as in free beer", but what she values the most is "Value the application brings to her work or her routine".<BR/><BR/>Here is the attraction quotient for an ordinary user (unlike an open source zealot):<BR/><BR/>(a) The application is Free as in freedom: 0.5 / 5<BR/>(b) The application is Free as in free beer: 3.5 / 5<BR/>(c) Has value as in Does some particular job really well: 4.5 / 5<BR/><BR/>I can't see why normal users (and enterprises) will not choose (c) over others.<BR/><BR/>-ShantanuShantanu Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05850495396182844220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295741357281587791.post-26319884687023706822009-02-02T00:08:00.000-08:002009-02-02T00:08:00.000-08:00Guess what: I am a Linux user. I don't need Photos...Guess what: I am a Linux user. I don't need Photoshop, I rarely ever use a word process (and when I do OO.o does the job) and all my hardware works just fine.<BR/><BR/>If you're going to write a rant at least write a good one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295741357281587791.post-9448255548701509582009-02-01T23:09:00.000-08:002009-02-01T23:09:00.000-08:00How did this slip past the RSS feed? Ah well.Oh an...How did this slip past the RSS feed? Ah well.<BR/><BR/>Oh and darn you LH - there is seemingly no suggestion (no user comment stories) I can make that you will agree with :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295741357281587791.post-42471557794545704652009-02-01T20:45:00.000-08:002009-02-01T20:45:00.000-08:00I'm still unclear on why nvidia is the exception.I'm still unclear on why nvidia is the exception.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08425435755112948327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295741357281587791.post-65824848081209984122009-02-01T20:44:00.000-08:002009-02-01T20:44:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08425435755112948327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295741357281587791.post-81309566015583268432009-02-01T20:35:00.000-08:002009-02-01T20:35:00.000-08:00Guys be cool, no reason to insult. While I agree w...Guys be cool, no reason to insult. <BR/><BR/>While I agree with "You get what you pay for", the situation is quite different now.<BR/><BR/>Four or five years ago, you could speak about Linux to a CEO and he would have a vague idea about it. Right now almost anyone has heard about Linux(technical or non technical people). <BR/>More and more people are using Linux and some of them use it at home and can't use it at work. Linux has not failed but it cannot attract the "masses". <BR/><BR/>Linux lacks drivers and commercial applications which is the result of too many distributions and not enough standardisation. The Linux way of doing things doesn't correspond to the user habits. <BR/><BR/>While some guys are trying OS X, it takes them a while to completely make the switch and to become independent from Windows.<BR/><BR/>Linux has evolved a lot for the last 10 years, but it'll never become a main player unless big vendors and corporations support it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295741357281587791.post-35654547376813928462009-02-01T19:58:00.000-08:002009-02-01T19:58:00.000-08:00A couple of points:The proportion of linux users i...A couple of points:<BR/><BR/>The proportion of linux users in the tech community is much higher than that of the average user. These people are the early adopters and the ones whose advice and recommendations will be closely followed, so getting their support is beneficial.<BR/><BR/>There are places where the FOSS model is working extremely well, wireless routers for instance. Vendors can build on the existing linux code base using products with open drivers. This leads to better support for wireless chipsets and filters down to the consumer market. Similar arguments exist for HP and Brother offering linux drivers for their printers. Driver writers already have to target multiple platforms - XP and Vista at a bare minimum. Once you add support for OS-X, most of the code is written as separate portable modules and adding linux support should be fairly simple. Webcam manufacturers have little to gain by having closed source drivers and in most cases, linux drivers will be developed for you for free if you release good hardware specs.<BR/><BR/>This also brings up the issue of vendor lock in. It's nice to know that if you did choose to change platforms in the future, all of your apps and data could come with you. Supporting linux demonstrates that software vendors realise Microsoft won't always be the dominate market force; and that they don't want to lose a customer if they should choose to switch platforms.<BR/><BR/>It's true that linux is far from ideal in many areas - with Photoshop for instance. This doesn't mean that it will always be the case. Linux continues to gain market share and support more devices, and it will see more and more support as it grows.<BR/><BR/>The end goal needn't be eliminating proprietary software, but common applications that have existed in some form for 10 years should be free. Proprietary software often pioneers the way for new developments and may be essential for the survival of software in niche sectors, but do we really still have a need for closed source web browsers?<BR/><BR/>Lastly (phew) open source software such as Linux benefits even those consumers who don't use it or know what it is. Do you really think Microsoft would be giving away XP for netbooks if there wasn't a free & competitive alternative?<BR/><BR/>Not a hater :)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10508007299698188054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295741357281587791.post-80235134566613098512009-02-01T19:57:00.000-08:002009-02-01T19:57:00.000-08:00god im so happy with my mac reading these rants.god im so happy with my mac reading these rants.Julienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06315609645094823084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295741357281587791.post-26563527201261684722009-02-01T19:14:00.000-08:002009-02-01T19:14:00.000-08:00The FOSS bigots exclaim they are for choice. If s...The FOSS bigots exclaim they are for choice. If so, why not allow commercial software to be compiled, sold, and run on top of Linux WITHOUT having to give your source away. That would be real choice. But no, they have their religious belief that software should be free and that they must have access to ALL the source that is so much as is in the same room as their precious FOSS crap.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295741357281587791.post-65251383221709027242009-02-01T18:47:00.000-08:002009-02-01T18:47:00.000-08:00you do realize blogger is free for use, built by a...you do realize blogger is free for use, built by a company that embraces many open source ideas and contributes to the open source community, and runs its own modified linux distribution (so it suits there needs)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295741357281587791.post-60333601120830175202009-02-01T18:28:00.000-08:002009-02-01T18:28:00.000-08:00This blog is a kind of boring. The critic fires co...This blog is a kind of boring. The critic fires complete in the wrong direction and seems just to be like the dissatisfaction of my daughter, if she doesn't understand how her new toy works.<BR/>Of course are there many failures in OpenSource Software, but the advantages of this model can't be denied. Concerns, which competing on the same business, pay for the development of the same OS-technology (have a look at Xen). Future is about services, not about a source-code (have a look at China).<BR/>You need to change the angle of view, then maybe your critics get constructive. By the moment it's just useless conservativ crying with absolutely no effect on the OS-Community. A totally waste of your time.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15551841539719270210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295741357281587791.post-44726797579400216092009-02-01T18:07:00.000-08:002009-02-01T18:07:00.000-08:00Why not have commercial linux software I know I wo...Why not have commercial linux software I know I would be willing to buy games made for linux...especially games such as StarCraft2 Diablo 3, World of Warcraft....Donald J Organ IVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14412453157119493777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295741357281587791.post-45649818397015007642009-02-01T12:21:00.000-08:002009-02-01T12:21:00.000-08:00Dear Author,the python-sqlalchemy package e.g. is ...Dear Author,<BR/><BR/>the python-sqlalchemy package e.g. is available from the devel:languages repo on OBS or from Packman and there the changelog dates back till Dec 29 2006 so you where probably just missing the correct repository.<BR/><BR/>I also understand that you had a pretty frustrating and surely less than enjoyable experience in this situation (although the suggestion that ISVs should use Wine is just laughable).<BR/><BR/>Further I'm in no way suggesting that you are too stupid but my issue with you is that you apparently couldn't be bothered to ask for help via mailing lists, forums, IRC, ... since you weren't able to solve it on your own and now simply use it as reasoning for your "OMGZ linux is teh suckz!!!11" rant.<BR/><BR/>And yes, I had 11.0 (now 11.1) on a Laptop and have 10.3 on the main workstation so I "tried" it ;)<BR/><BR/>The simple point is that if something isn't available via the standard way of installation you should be willing to learn what alternative ways to install it exist and how to correctly use them.<BR/><BR/>Or more generally: just because something doesn't work like it does with Windows it doesn't mean it is broken and there probably is a reason for it. Therefore you are expected to learn instead of to bitch. And this surely also applies for a free operating system you freely decided to use.<BR/><BR/>If you don't like it and want some support you can go to if "it doesn't work" then stick with commercial software. If that is what makes you happy then please do it. And that's exactly also the point of the article I pointed you to.<BR/><BR/>So yes, as much as you wont like it to hear, the problem was on your side since you tried to install something that wasn't available via a package without knowing what you are doing. And then I really prefer you running into troubles and going on an "OMG itz teh suckz!" rant instead of everything getting compiled statically into everything else instead of using dynamic libraries (which is the exact reason for packages & their dependencies - why it is that way and that is much better a quick google query should show you).<BR/><BR/>So, if you ever run into such problems again, do yourself a favor and just ask for help e.g. on IRC (quickest way) or forums, mailing lists, friends, ....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com